Wc arthur vs Wc varay

I know this has been brought up in the past, but some of the arguements don't make any sense to me and I'm going to adress it.

  1. "Varay has better mana manipulation than Arthur" - A lot of people bring this up, that varay is the better mage while arthur is the better fighter. While I do sort of agree, people also seem to forget that arthur has done 2 months worth of mana training with teachers specialized for rach of his 4 elements and was fighting as a MID silver core during their spar that people often refer to. Even if base arthur still isn't as good with magic than varay, realmheart should be able to close this gap since it gives arthur a much higher degree of understanding of magic and perceiving anything varay may dish out. Arthur's control of magic should be even better since virion himself stated that the gap between a high silver core stage and white core stage is massive.

  2. "Arthur's statement of him losing a limb to beat her" - Another statement I see a lot of people bring up. Many people seem convinced of this since arthur himself states this, but people also forget that arthur as white core has much better feats than what his statement holds. Varay, along with mica and aya, were being given a thorough stalemate by lyra, who should be weaker than uto since he was stated to be the strongest retainer. We find out in the 4th keystone that arthur, who was a white core due to taking the lance ring(which should make him weaker as stated by aldir), beat uto without losing any limbs since we see arthur sleeping with tess and having no limb loss(at least until cadell kills him). Varay's feats just don't hold up to arthur's own feats.

  3. "Varay's title as 'the strongest lance' " - This is just a non factor in my argument since varay was given this title before arthur was even a lance or even before the war begun. Varay couldn't even handle viessa during their bout, with bairon and mica fighting melzri. Now to be fair, she wasn't fully recovered from her battle with taci since she lost an arm, but that should be a far less severe handicap than fighting two scythes at once (one of them being the strongest scythe) and slowly breaking down his own body. Varay nearly died, along with 2 other lances, from 2 scythes. Meanwhile, arthur nearly died to fighting 2 scythes almost completely by himself (with help from sylvie) while protecting tess and going through an emotional breakdown from nico.

If you disagree with any of my arguments, you can leave them in the comments. So who do you think is stronger?

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