quads by women

I see many online talk about how the quads by ladies (specifically russian) are not real quads because of the amount of pre rotation. They call their quads over rotated triples. I am a bit confused though as the same pre rotation technique on flip and lutz is used for triples by most of the field. Nobody is calling their triples over rotated doubles. The pre rotation technique on the flip and lutz has been around for years. Even the coaches where I skate teach the flip and lutz with the pre rotation. I get the importance of textbook technique. A rule against pre rotation should’ve been implemented years ago. What are your guys’ thoughts? Are Trusova and Shcherbakova’s quads fake? (disregarding incorrect edges 😩)